Bank Employees Who Say No (Get Fired...And Then Get Famous)
Pamela Grundy, Senior Editor |
Thursday, March 4, 2010 at 9:29AM If you haven’t been living in a cave for the past few months, you’ve probably already heard the story of Jackie Ramos, the Bank of America credit card CSR who was fired for deliberately refunding ‘convenience fees’ and for putting people who were in dire staits on repayment programs instead of piling on punitive late fees and freezing their interest rates at 29.9%. Ramos has lately been featured on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, as well as in countless news programs, blogs, and financial editorials.
Jackie Ramos not only obeyed her employer’s instructions (by doing what was ‘best for the customer and best for the bank’), she also simultaneously disobeyed her employer’s instructions (by refunding fees and making payment arrangements that almost no one really qualified for). She also put her crazy-making story on You Tube—earning her rousing cheers of “you go, girl!” from millions of people angry at the banks as well as endless criticism from banks and conservatives who were critical of her.
In truth, Ramos’s double-bind problems are the problems of just about every CSR who works in today’s opportunistic financial services industry—an industry that, according to economist Kevin Phillips in his book Bad Money, now makes up over 20% of U.S. GDP (compared with just 10% in 1950).
That GDP statistic becomes even more alarming when you look at what it really means: It means the main product traded and exported by the U.S. is no longer steel, blue jeans, corn, oil, or Fords, it’s debt.
In 1950, the financial sector (comprised of banks, credit card companies, mortage firms, investment houses, etc.) held about 7.5% of the total outstanding debt in the United States. By 2006 that percentage had ballooned to 31.7% of the total U.S. debt.
In fact, if you look at U.S. industries as a percentage of Gross Domestic Product, financial services (at over 20%) and health care (currently at over 17% and growing fast) make up nearly HALF of all goods and services currently produced in the United States.
You might say one arm makes us sick (the financial sector) and the other fixes us up (the health care sector) so we can go back and create more sickness again (via the financial sector). If current trends continue, by 2025 the U.S. will be involved in almost nothing but creating hideous financial problems that are partially solved in medical institutions for prices no one can afford, which in turn will add to the financial problems.
It’s a reliable business model all right, but is it really a good one?
The following clip shows MBNA CSRs raising similar concerns about their pretend ‘jobs’:
Having worked in the call center of a major regional bank for a year and a half, I can vouch for the veracity of these clips. What shocks me about them though is not the practices themselves—we all know they exist—what shocks me is how mundane these practices are now; how normal they have become.
Most of the people I worked with at the bank where I pushed financial products on poor people until I could no longer stand to do so, would laugh at these CSRs. My co-workers mostly saw themselves as movers and shakers, tough salespeople who did what needed to be done and laughed all the way to the bank. The atmosphere was thick with sports cheers, testosterone antics and contests, and loud ‘woot woots’ every time someone made a big ‘sale’ at the expense of a confused widow or misguided debtor.
All the best salespeople had horns and noisemakers at their desks.
But I do feel heartened that at least a few people are finally beginning to ask the right questions and ask them publicly, at great risk to their own well-being (where are they going to work right now?) and despite all the mocking and vitriol they sustain from people who keep these jobs (hey it’s a dog eat dog world! Don’t blame me! Pussies!)
Suppose an employer with more money than God offered you a chance to whack old ladies in the head with a baseball bat for $100 a whack in addition to your $10 hourly wage and a sort-of-adequate benefit package.
Would you do it?
Some people would think, “You know, these old ladies are going to die anyway. And I have my whole life ahead of me. I can whack at least three old ladies in the head per hour and there’s my next house payment and a new car, and my kids go to private school. Screw those old ladies.”
Other people whack the first couple of old ladies and start to feel bad about it and leave or get fired.
And still other people say, “No way. Whack your own old ladies you wealthy scum.”
So here we are. And this is the question before us today. We can’t blame all of it one the banks if we willingly participate in activities we know to be predatory nonsense and thievery. At some point, it does come down to individual responsibility, and we all must in the end decide what we will do for money and what we will not.
What would you do?
Don’t think for too long. This opportunity expires at midnight, certain restrictions do apply.





Reader Comments (3)
lol that always gets me, the offers and restrictions and time limits. Little do many know that if they wait even longer, a better deal will come their way. But is it a deal if you don't need it in the first place? Is it a good deal if you do need it, but can't afford it? Great article. Enjoyed the videos very much. My sister worked as a teller and got quite poo pooed upon because she didn't think that the selling part of the job was ethical. She wasn't pushy enough, blah blah. She finally got into a different department where no selling was involved, it was the best move she made, but in order to get the job, she went through a lot of hassle, for months, and had to hit a couple of old ladies over the head with a bat, and yes, just so that she wouldn't have to do that any more.
I think it's a matter of degree. I mean, everyone knows (well, not everyone but I think most people know) that banks make money by selling debt. So that's part of the job, but here we are in a major meltdown CAUSED BY THE BANKS and the cause specifically was selling poorly underwritten loans and credit, and here they are still shoving this stuff down customers' throats. It also troubles me how large a part of our economy this is getting to be. I took the bank job because they promised me that, like your sister, if I stayed on the phones whacking old ladies for just one year I could easily get a paper pushing job not whacking old ladies. But I had to put in my year. Then, at around 9 months in, the bank began to fail and they jettisoned almost all the departments I could have transfered to. At that point, they were all like, "Wow isn't it lucky you are in the call center? That's the only department where people didn't get canned." And I just lost it. I'd already been in call centers 7 years by that point. I'd moved to a new state to take this job BECAUSE I COULD GET OFF THE PHONES and now I couldn't get off the phones.
Ugh. Well. It's over. :)
(As you can see, it's still a sore spot...)
Today's banking system is a far cry from what it was in my parents' day. Back then, yes, banks sold debt, but only in the form of loans to people who could prove they could pay it back. A car loan kept the local dealership in business; a new home loan kept local home builders in business; farmers borrowed against the next crop. All debt was local, every loan an investment in the community as a whole. If a community flourished, so did its banks. That banks today are part of the financial services *industry* says it all. Selling debt that can only be sustained by selling more debt is bad business on many levels.
It's not the Jackies in the call center who should be fired; it's the suits with the MBAs upstairs.